tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4840511756286055487.post7114427061624096546..comments2024-03-27T20:04:53.585-06:00Comments on Illinois Transportation Issues: Win For Transportation TeamTom Bamontehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08257129333713108323noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4840511756286055487.post-89033575468181533902007-10-14T12:41:00.000-06:002007-10-14T12:41:00.000-06:00anony, I'm aware that the tollways take in money. ...anony, I'm aware that the tollways take in money. Nothing you've referred to shows that places like Old Orchard paid for that exit from a local tax without any input from the state, for example. Same for Schaumburg or Oakbrook. You say the "communities" were required to contribute. How much? 55 percent? How much did they raise their local taxes to so?<BR/><BR/>The point is that we get all this moralistic finger-pointing from people like you about how mass transit should pay its own way, unlike every other form of transportation infrastructure with the possible exception of some tollways, the original construction of which was not paid for out of non-tax income.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4840511756286055487.post-11995627999581501482007-10-13T07:56:00.000-06:002007-10-13T07:56:00.000-06:00No, I'll do the service for the other anonymous:Li...No, I'll do the service for the other anonymous:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.auditor.illinois.gov/Audit-Reports/Compliance-Agency-List/Toll-Hwy-Auth/FY07-Toll-Hwy-Auth-Fin-Full.pdf" REL="nofollow">Link</A><BR/><BR/>It would be nice if Blogger had a pop up to formulate the links, but in the absence of that, it is necessary to tag them in the following format:<BR/><BR/><a href="[insert url here]">description of link</a><BR/><BR/>Use the Preview button to see if your coding works.<BR/><BR/>Back to the subject, I wonder if Davey will return to acknowledge his two errors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4840511756286055487.post-45148108669240514722007-10-12T21:22:00.000-06:002007-10-12T21:22:00.000-06:00Cite in previous comment is:http://www.auditor.ill...Cite in previous comment is:<BR/>http://www.auditor.illinois.gov/<BR/>Audit-Reports/Compliance-Agency-List<BR/>/Toll-Hwy-Auth/FY07-Toll-Hwy-Auth<BR/>-Fin-Full.pdf<BR/><BR/>You will have to put the pieces back together into a functional URL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4840511756286055487.post-18612166499416278872007-10-12T21:20:00.000-06:002007-10-12T21:20:00.000-06:00"Roads, even toll roads, never begin to pay for th..."Roads, even toll roads, never begin to pay for themselves." -- Davey<BR/><BR/>Wrong. Toll roads do pay for themselves, even though they typically charge tolls much less than what the market would bear from a revenue maximization perspective.<BR/><BR/>See, for example, the financial statement of the Illinois State Toll Authority:<BR/><BR/>http://www.auditor.illinois.gov/Audit-Reports/Compliance-Agency-List/Toll-Hwy-Auth/FY07-Toll-Hwy-Auth-Fin-Full.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4840511756286055487.post-4451347441643009892007-10-12T07:34:00.000-06:002007-10-12T07:34:00.000-06:00If you want a link to the official minutes of the ...If you want a link to the official minutes of the Tollway Authority entering into the contribution agreements, it is <A HREF="http://www.illinoistollway.com/pls/portal/url/ITEM/025663EF676E4F77B78D15D7B6DF2285" REL="nofollow">here</A> (see page 13).<BR/><BR/>Taxes may not have been immediately hiked, but since the five municipalities do not sell goods or services at the market, they would not have had the interchanges built if they did not contribute some tax money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4840511756286055487.post-75734979229233764602007-10-11T17:38:00.000-06:002007-10-11T17:38:00.000-06:00I didn't say tax hike, I said contributions by the...I didn't say tax hike, I said contributions by the communities if they wanted an interchange.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4840511756286055487.post-62358799810120729282007-10-11T15:13:00.000-06:002007-10-11T15:13:00.000-06:00I've tried to find evidence of any tax hikes impos...I've tried to find evidence of any tax hikes imposed to pay for highway work. Please let us know where you found this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4840511756286055487.post-8233313453808474312007-10-11T13:25:00.000-06:002007-10-11T13:25:00.000-06:00Again, Davey, wrong. The communities near the I-35...Again, Davey, wrong. The communities near the I-355 extension were required to contribute to the cost of the interchanges. And if you are proposing such a tax, propose it, instead of using it as an excuse for not taxing those who benefit from transit and can afford to pay for it (not to be a broken record).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4840511756286055487.post-14625456747115747882007-10-11T11:31:00.000-06:002007-10-11T11:31:00.000-06:00Oh, good. We're in a global warming/pollution cris...Oh, good. We're in a global warming/pollution crisis, so let's kill off public transportation and accomodate more cars and trucks on the highways. Just brilliant. With leadership like this we might as well just shoot ourselves in the head and get it over with. We are betrayed at every level of government.<BR/><BR/>Roads, even toll roads, never begin to pay for themselves. And yet I don't think the folks whose property values rise because of the tax-funded "improvements" will be expected to raise local sales or property taxes to pay for them. That's only required of public transportation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4840511756286055487.post-43085913151578939792007-10-10T15:55:00.000-06:002007-10-10T15:55:00.000-06:00This sounds a lot like the Reason Foundation repor...This sounds a lot like the Reason Foundation report that identified I-80 across IA and IL as a route where a tolled truck lane would make economic sense. That report had a single truck lane in each direction with adequate shoulders to pass broken down trucks, separated by a barrier from the "normal" 2 lanes in each direction for all other traffic.<BR/><BR/>Seeing as how we are designing for 3-lanes already on I-80 in a relatively confined space, adding an additional toll lane with wider shoulders and additional barriers would require a re-do of all the overhead bridges and interchanges (some of which are already under construction or recently re-constructed), as well as additional environmental impacts. This retro-fit would literally cost billions, and I'm sure the truck industry would want triple trailers and 120,000 lb weight limits as well as 75 mph speed limits in order to justify paying a toll.<BR/><BR/>If the idea is to take freight off the highways and put it on the rails, this idea (assuming it makes economic sense) does just the opposite. MO is looking at the I-70 corridor now for tolled truck lanes...don't know if anything will become of it.<BR/><BR/>BTW, I-70 through eastern IL was just reconstructed a few years ago. A lot of that new stuff would need to be torn out to make an 8-lane highway.<BR/><BR/>Just a few thoughts here.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06539712482513172195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4840511756286055487.post-62609903896392197022007-10-10T08:18:00.000-06:002007-10-10T08:18:00.000-06:00Indiana has lately been the lead partner on severa...Indiana has lately been the lead partner on several projects like this. Indiana was the lead state on <A HREF="http://www.aaroads.com/high-priority/corr18.html" REL="nofollow">Interstate High Priority Corridor 18</A>, which not only included the proposed I-69 (although the state later determined that the Indianapolis to Evansville portion would not be self-sustaining as a toll road), but also I-94 from Port Huron to Chicago. Is all the work on the Dan Ryan and 80/94 part of that initiative? <BR/><BR/>Since the "success" is on I-70, which goes through such metropolises as Vandalia and Effingham, I doubt that Illinois had much to do with it. Maybe a real success would be if they accomplished something in this area, on Illinois's initiative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4840511756286055487.post-86000503482549543782007-10-10T06:57:00.000-06:002007-10-10T06:57:00.000-06:00This is fantastic. State and federal highway fund...This is fantastic. State and federal highway funds are in shambles because our electeds won't raise the gas tax to even meet inflation. The answer: double the size of the highway and pretend that the truckers will pay high tolls to fund it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4840511756286055487.post-32451914134793403642007-10-09T21:19:00.000-06:002007-10-09T21:19:00.000-06:00I think Dennis Byrne called it the "Chicago Way".I think Dennis Byrne called it the "Chicago Way".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com